Jødar og Harry Potter-magi

Via Kesher Talk

I fylgje prof. Menahem Kellner ved University i Haifa sin avdeling for Jødisk historie og tanke, og dottera hans Rivka Kellner, som er ein doktorgradskandidat i litteratur på Bar-Ilan Universitetet, er magien i Harry Potter-bøkene ikkje “okkult” eller “farleg”, men “kosher”. For jødar i alle fall.

The Jerusalem Post skriv at,

According to the Kellners, many generations of researchers deliberated on how to define magic. Much attention had been paid to distinguishing between magic and science on the one hand, and between magic and religion on the other. They explained that Maimonides, the great medieval Jewish sage, philosopher and physician known as the Rambam, rejected the kind of magic that was supernatural and could not be explained. He saw it as competing with religion.The version of magic used by Rowling’s Harry Potter, however, was different, they said. This magic was similar to normal science, and it was explainable – whether we understand it or not.

To demonstrate this, the researchers cited the Potter books’ Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. The fictional school, they contend, taught magic in a “scientific” way, and the use of magic in the world of Harry Potter depended on study and training as well as on the talent of the performer. It is, therefore, something with an explanation.’

“Nothing in Harry Potter’s world is based on anything that is in principle impossible to know,” according to the Kellners. “The magic of that world is not supernatural. It is based on aspects of the natural universe of which we humans are simply unaware. There are no occult properties or forces beyond investigation. In principle, there is an explanation for everything, even if Albus Dumbledore [headmaster of the Hogwarts School] himself doesn’t always know what it is.”

Ser man det…

— Kjetil Kringlebotten

4 comments on “Jødar og Harry Potter-magi

  1. Anonymous says:

    Vel.
    Man har jo ond og djevelsk magi i formularet “avada kadavra” (eller hvordan den nå var) da, den er jo ganske kjip. Eller er den bare en metafor for den vitenskapelige revolver?

    men Maimonides må vel ha tatt utgangspunkt i 5m18? skulle vært spennende å sett hva han sa om den pasasjen…

    Bjarte

  2. Eg meiner sjølv at det er to typar magi i Potter-bøkene, slik det også er i Ringenes Herre.

    Tolkien snakka på den eine sida om “god magi” (i fantasilitteratur og eventyr), subkreasjon, der ein bruker dei kreftene som er gjeven av Gud til å forvalte verda.

    Den vonde magien handlar om teknologi som er gjort til “det høgste gode”. Dette handlar ikkje om forvalting, men om å endre verda etter eige ynskje, og ikkje etter Guds.

    Ein kan også seie at i den fyrste type magi er det snakk om at teknologien er eit verktøy, i den andre er den blitt meister. Dette siste kan ein kanskje seie om Ringen i Ringenes Herre eller horcrux-magien i Potter-bøkene.

    mvh

  3. Rivka kellner says:

    I recognise my name, and that it’s about harry potter and the Rambam but not a lot more…would love to hear from you.

  4. Yeah. Let me translate it (except) for the quote:

    —–
    According to prof. Menahem Kellner at the department of Jewish history and thought at the University i Haifa, and his daugther Rivka Kellner, who is a doctoral candidate in literature at Bar-Ilan University, the magic in the Harry Potter books is not “occult” or “dangerous,” but “kosher.” For jews, anyway.

    The Jerusalem Post writes that,

    [quote]

    Look at that…

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